Stays/Corset question (1700s)

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Stays/Corset question (1700s)

Postby Miss Elisabeth » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:34 pm

In the 1700s, I've seen things labled corsets and stays. Are they the same thing? If they're different, how so?

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Postby Merja » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:44 pm

I´m not expert on this, but if I had to say something I´d say that stays is the correct word but corset is better known today. They are sometimes called corsets just so even larger non-expert group would understand what they are.
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Postby diana » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:28 pm

I believe that stays are boning.
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Postby Miss Elisabeth » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:36 pm

well, if stays are boning, then how come you don't usually refur to 1800s one s as stays?

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Postby AspiringCostumer » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:45 pm

I'm no expert, but I'm fairly certain that in the 1700s, a corset was refered to as a pair of stays. And later on, (like Victorian) it was a pair of corsets. If my memory serves me correctly, the term corset as a singular is a modern thing. And stays can refer to the boning in a corset.
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Postby Miss Elisabeth » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:48 pm

Got it! 8)
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Postby diana » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:59 pm

The stays are sticking into me.
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Postby DABramwell » Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:04 pm

From my translations of french literature from the period in question: 18th century corsets were always refered to in the plural and were called variously and with no clear distinction a pair of: stays, bodies, or jumps. I'm not sure when the word corset was coined, but if it was arround at that point it was in rarer use than the above, at least for the french.
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Postby ashamanja babu » Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:30 am

The word corset, I've read, comes from the French corps, meaning body; what was a pair of bodies in English was a corps and eventually a corset in French. I think the term came into use in English sometime between 1820-1845. But really, corset, stays, bodies, etc., it's all the same thing: a support garment for a the torso.
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